or is right to life just for the fetuses? and by the way before you accuse me of it i’m not an anti death penalty walking contradiction like the ones who are ‘pro life’ and support death penalty, war, and the rights of anyone at anytime to tote guns
no it’s really not a weak argument. the anti choicers are always going on and on about the ‘sanctity of human life’, like it or not that includes mcveigh and everyone else ever executed
nothing is impossible- i have that profile comment because of christian supremacists like you
nothing is impossible- i didn’t ‘build myself a prison’ you christian supremacist nazi
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“Pro-life” advocates only seem to care about people that haven’t been born yet.
Of course not, pro-life and pro death penalty are just nice ways of saying “Americans with right wing christian agendas”
Conservatives are generally anti-choice but pro death penalty
As Robin Williams pointed out, I guess it’s all in the timing.
Pro life people are FOR the death penalty in general
Pro choice are against it in general
This all never made sense to me.
It wouldn’t have mattered if they did. Timothy McVeigh wanted to die.
We see a difference between how convicted felons and unborn children should be treated. Seems obvious we should, but…
What came of this today???? Wow I thought I heard it all?? To answer your retarted question. He was a murderer, and the people he killed deserved justice. No brainer.
A fetuses is innocent and has committed no crime. Timothy McVay purposely set out to kill people did not care who, men, women, children. He was a criminal and a murderer, and had to be punished for his crime. A fetus is not a criminal nor a murderer and has committed no crime that merits the punishment of death. I support Justice big difference…..
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McVay did not care about the sanctity of Human life and has to be punished accordingly for his crime.
The difference between Capital punishment for a mass murderer and the murder of an innocent fetus cannot be compared. Its a weak argument, a pathetic argument and any person with an IQ above 10 can see that.
Are you one of the people that is unable to discern the difference between innocent life and people who have forfeited the right to live among us? Sounds like you are.
i’m very much pro choice, but your argument is weak. the pro lifers would say that a fetus is innocent of any crime, and mcveigh was guilty of killing people.
Nice profile comment.
Blessings!
I find this interesting. I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty. I would think that any pro-lifer would be against the death penalty. If we had magic crystal balls that could tell if your fetus was the next Ted Bundy, would they switch to being pro-choice?
**I am not saying that I would abort just cause a crystal ball said my fetus was a Ted Bundy. I would totally argue that the child could be redirected in behavior. But just an ironic sort of twist to the thinking is all i was going for.**
McVeigh forfeited his right to life by his actions, the same can not be said for the baby that is aborted.
You are right that everyone starts with a right to life, however, as Aquinas said, a person that commits grievous enough crimes a cancer on the population and must be completely removed to save the greater whole of society.
As I recall there was an anti-death penalty group protesting at the execution site.
Not a pro-life group, an anti-death penalty group. With the exception of a few Catholics, the two groups don’t seem to overlap much.
No. He didn’t have a right to life after taking the life of so many others.
Those of us who are Pro-life, are so because unborn children are innocent, unlike the McVeighs of this world, who are convicted of murder.
And I’m sorry you hate Christians. Hate takes so much from one’s life.
Harmony
“Anti-Choice” people have cognitive dissonance. Religion is a great way to learn how to be a hypocrite.
pro life is about giving the unborn a chance at life…criminals like mcveigh had a chance at life and screwed up…but at least mceigh had a chance…
Genesis 9:6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image”.
There are many pro-life [anti-abortion] who oppose the death penalty, on the theory that when a person creates a problem for you, killing him/her is not the proper solution.
However, I think it also makes sense to say that the killing of an innocent is very different from killing somebody who has been sentenced to death for a heinous crime. The innocence of a fetus is such that you can’t even fabricate a false charge against him/her!
I think it also makes sense that killing in self-defense or in defense of others is different from killing an innocent who is not even capable of committing a crime.
I’m sure some would. The ones who are actually pro-life. Most of them are anti-abortion rather than pro-life.
I’m proudly pro-life and I do not support the death penalty, I have mixed feelings on war, and do believe in the right to bear arms. So, I’m 2 out of 4.
The right to bear arms is a constitutional right for the protection of Americans should a dictator ever try to arise in the US, for forming a militia, for personal protection, and for hunting/sportsman. As far as the death penalty (although, I have stated I am against it) the party being put to death is guilty of murder and the most horrific crimes, he is not innocent. War is the same, those we fight against are soliders who are fighting on behalf of a country that has done something that our country finds worthy of military action…but with abortion, the fetus is innocent. It is the taking of innocent life.
Some Christians believe capital punishment is mandated, while others believe it is merely permitted. In contrast, there are Christians who feel it is biblically prohibited. Those who believe it is prohibited base their argument on an assumption the New Testament reverses the mandate of the Old Testament prophecy which deals with habitual criminals: “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man” (Genesis 9:6). However, Romans 13:1-7 implies capital punishment is still permitted under the new covenant. Those who believe capital punishment is permitted but not necessarily required point to the fact that even the Old Testament contains examples of criminal acts that were not punished by death; Cain, Moses, and David all took another man’s life, but were not put to death for the killings.
Even though the Bible permits capital punishment, it lays down strict guidelines to keep judgment from being unfair or excessive. Punishment must be commensurate with the crime (Exodus 21:23-25). It must be based on certainty of guilt (Deuteronomy 17:6). It must result from premeditated intent (Numbers 35:22-24). There must be due process; cities of refuge were provided to protect the accused until trial (Numbers 35). Fairness and justice must prevail regardless of wealth or reputation (Exodus 23:6,7). Restraint should be exercised in imposing the death penalty (Ezekiel 33:11).
Deuteronomy 19:21 is sometimes noted as Old Testament support for capital punishment: “Show no pity, life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.” But the context in which this statement appears deals with the treatment of proven false witnesses. Under Jewish law, the accusation of two or three witness was all that was needed to convict the accused. The defendant had to prove himself innocent. False witnesses would make a mockery of the system of justice. Once guilt was established, the punishment had to fit the crime, neither exceeding the injury done nor handing down some inconsequential punishment for a serious crime (Exodus 21:12-36, Leviticus 24:17-22).
Both the Old and New Testaments indicate that personal retaliation is not appropriate (Leviticus 19:18; Romans 12:19-13:7). Punishment should be the prerogative of the government/community, not of the individual. No matter how heinous the crime, retaliation just to settle a personal vendetta, is contrary to biblical principles. Proponents of capital punishment give three possible reasons to mandate the ultimate sentence: (1) deterrence of potential offenders who might be inclined to commit a major crime, (2) deterrence of a criminal who if free might repeat the same offense; an executed murderer could not murder again, (3) retribution or repayment to victims or society for losses sustained because of the crime.
Hope this helps,
Elder Greg
(((SFECU)))
Pro-life is an abortion stance, it has nothing to do with mass murderers and terrorists like Timothy McVeigh. McVeigh used his life to end others, the only just sentence for him is death. A fetus, however, has harmed no one.
OK this is very SIMPLE!!!!!
People that are PRO-LIFE are really PRO-innocent LIFE!!
Abortion is INFANTICIDE.
The Death penalty is the Killing(Not Murder) of a person by judicial process.
So by definition they are two diffrent actions.
So this really isn’t a contradiction.
Unlike the contrary: Most People Who are Pro-Infanticide (Abortion)
Are ANTI-DEATH PENALTY!!!
So in other words: “It’s OK for a mother to kill an innocent baby but totaly Inhuman for a judicial system to convict a guilty man to death”
I agree with James V. This is not the simple equation you present iin your question. It’s not simple “Life vs. Life.” It’s “Proven -Guilty Life vs. Innocent Life.” Trying to make these the same is irrational.
Suzanne
Auzziegob thought that,.,if unwanted blobs of tissue are allowed to issue, ,do they have more chance of ending up a “timothy”.